If Mormonism Isn’t Christian Then What Is It?

Posted: January 1, 2012 in Fred Anson, Mormon Studies, Theology

by Fred W. Anson
Perhaps you found the opening of Mike Tannehill’s recent Mormon Expression blog as current and thought provoking as I did:

Link to referenced blog

“There has been a great deal of talk lately regarding whether or not Mormons are Christians. This is not a new argument, it is actually as old as the church itself. When the Church was first founded many thought the nickname of ‘Mormon’ was somehow a reference to Mohammed and that the church was in fact an Islamic faith.”[1]

My first thought was that the historical record exposes the modern assertion that Mormon leaders have always insisted that the LdS Church is “Christian” for what it is – a myth. Rather, it shows that until recently[2] Mormons have wanted no part of Christianity as they saw themselves as something better, purer, more exalted and more enlightened than the “poor, miserable priests” and “the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth”  – as Mormon Apostle Heber C. Kimball referred to the Christians of his day. [3]

EARLY MORMONISM
And other early Mormon Leaders were equally clear on this point:
The First Six Mormon Presidents“What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world”[4]
Joseph Smith, January 2, 1843

“We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense…. It is a sounding brass and a tinkling symbol; it is as corrupt as hell; and the Devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century.”[5]
John Taylor, January 17, 1858

“Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom.”[6]
John Taylor, March 1, 1863

Yet, surprisingly their tone not only softened but actually glowed when they spoke of Muhammad and Islam:
“I believe that Mahomet [Muhammad]–who the Christians deride and call a false prophet and stigmatize with a great many epithets–I believe that he was a man raised up by the Almighty.”[7]
George Q. Cannon, September 2, 1883

“About six hundred years after Christ a prophet rose in Arabia, by the name of Mahomet, who was born in 569…  
Now this man descended from Abraham and was no doubt raised up by God on purpose to scourge the world for their idolatry.”[8] [9]
George A. Smith, September 23, 1855

And Joseph Smith certainly didn’t seem to mind if the religion that he founded was equated with Islam or he with Muhammad – rather he seemed to embrace such comparisons with zeal when he famously said:

General Joseph Smith with Sword“I will be to this generation a second Muhammad, whose motto in treating for peace was the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword. So shall it eventually be with us Joseph Smith or the Sword!”[10]
– Joseph Smith, October 14, 1838

So is it any surprise that seventeen years later (in his September 23rd, 1855 address) Mormon Apostle Parley P. Pratt was still swinging that sword:
“The Greek and Roman Churches, which have been called Christian, and which take the name of Christians as a cloak, have worshipped innumerable idols. On this account, on the simple subject of the Deity and His worship, if nothing more, I should rather incline, of the two, after all my early traditions, education, and prejudices, to the side of Mahomet, for on this point he is on the side of truth, and the Christian world on the side of idolatry and heathenism.”[11]

Parley Pratt“Though Mahometan institutions are corrupt enough, and need reforming by the Gospel, I am inclined to think, upon the whole, leaving out the corruptions of men in high places among them, that they have better morals and better institutions than many Christian nations; and in many localities there have been high standards of morals. So far as that one point is concerned, of worshipping the one true God under the name of Mahometanism, together with many moral precepts, and in war only acting on the defensive, I think they have exceeded in righteousness and truthfulness of religion, the idolatrous and corrupt church that has borne the name of Christianity.”[12]

So apparently, the assertion that early Mormonism was more akin to and aligned with Islam than Christianity (while, of course, being superior, more enlightened, and a step above both) isn’t far fetched at all – in fact, it seems that early Mormon leaders enthusiastically embraced the idea.

MODERN MORMONISM
But what about Modern Mormonism, surely it’s Christian – right?

Well, as respected Religious Journalists, Richard and Joan Ostling note, “…it is surely wrong to see Mormonism as a Christian derivative in the way that Christianity is a Jewish derivative, because the LDS faith is in radical discontinuity with historic Christianity.”[13] And expanding on the Ostlings, the late Catholic Scholar, Richard John Neuhaus clarified stating that:  “…Mormonism is inexplicable apart from Christianity and the peculiar permutations of Protestant Christianity in nineteenth-century America. It may in this sense be viewed as a Christian derivative. It might be called a Christian heresy, except heresy is typically a deviation within the story of the Great Tradition that Mormonism rejects tout court.”[14]

Continuing, Neuhaus goes on to explain:
“For missionary and public relations purposes, the LDS may present Mormonism as an ‘add-on,’ a kind of Christianity-plus, but that is not the official narrative and doctrine.

A closer parallel might be with Islam. Islam is a derivative of Judaism, and Christianity. Like Joseph Smith, Muhammad in the seventh century claimed new revelations and produced in the Quran a ‘corrected’ version of the Jewish and Christian scriptures, presumably by divine dictation. Few dispute that Islam is a new and another religion, and Muslims do not claim to be Christian, although they profess a deep devotion to Jesus. Like Joseph Smith and his followers, they do claim to be the true children of Abraham. Christians in dialogue with Islam understand it to be an interreligious, not an ecumenical, dialogue. Ecumenical dialogue is dialogue between Christians. Dialogue with Mormons who represent official LDS teaching is interreligious dialogue.”[15]

So, Richard Land, of the Southern Baptist Convention appears to have showed great insight when he famously observed:
“I think the fairest and most charitable way to define Mormonism would be to call it the fourth Abrahamic religion – Judaism being the first, Christianity being the second, Islam being the third, and Mormonism being the fourth. And Joseph Smith would play the same character in Mormonism that Muhammad plays in Islam.”[16]

And this view isn’t limited to Christian scholars – consider this analysis by Literary and Religious Critic, Harold Bloom:
“Mr. [Mitt] Romney, earnest and staid, who is deep within the labyrinthine Mormon hierarchy, is directly descended from an early follower of the founding prophet Joseph Smith, whose highly original revelation was as much a departure from historical Christianity as Islam was and is.

Joseph Smith, killed by a mob before he turned 39, is hardly comparable to the magnificent Akiva [whom Bloom theorizes invented Judaism], except that he invented Mormonism even more single-handedly than Akiva gave us Judaism, or Muhammad, Islam.”[17]

Thus the words of an early 20th Century editoral committee for Fleming H. Revell have stood the test of time:
“It is generally observed that Mormonism is similiar to Mohammedanism in it’s endorsement of the practice of polygamy and its ideas of heaven. Many other points of similarity between these systems have been noted by students, and the Book of Mormon has marked resemblance to the Koran. As all ancient religions have a modern equivalent, Mormonism can justly be claimed to be the modern form of Mohammedanism, and not incorrectly termed ‘the Islam of America.'”[18]

THE 4TH ABRAHAMIC RELIGION
So the consensus throughout the ages and on both sides of the divide has been that Mormonism isn’t Jewish, Christian, or Muslim – though it may derive forms, terms, and rites from all three. Furthermore, the parallels between Mormonism and Islam are simply too pronounced and too plentiful to ignore:

Similarities between the origins of Islam and those of Mormonism:
– Both Muhammad and Joseph Smith were reportedly inspired to start their movements by angelic visits.
The Archangel Jibreel (Gabriel) in the case of Muhammed, and the Angel Moroni for Joseph Smith (following a visit Smith claimed to have received from God and Jesus Christ three years earlier). In each event, the angel in question helped to prepare the prophet to receive a series of revelations from God.[20]

– Both Muhammad and Joseph Smith left behind authorized books they claimed to be direct revelations from God, books that their followers accept as Scripture.[19]

Joseph Smith Receiving his call and The Gold Plates from the Angel Moroni– Both Muhammad and Joseph Smith were persecuted by hostile locals and later forced to relocate (from Mecca to Medina, and from Missouri to Illinois, respectively) during the formative periods of their careers.[19]

– Both Muhammad and Joseph Smith established theocratic city-states during their respective ministries, Muhammad being invited to take the rule of Medina, while Joseph Smith would found Nauvoo, Illinois.[19]

– Both Muhammad and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings.
Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Yet both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[20]

– Both Muhammad and Joseph Smith created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible while simultaneously deviating from it.
In his Koran, Muhammad appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.[20]

– Both Muhammad and Joseph Smith saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets.
Muhammad saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus.[21] Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.[20][21]

Artist's recreation of the Book of Mormon Plates– Both Muhammad and Joseph Smith held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible.
Muhammad claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim:
“I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[23]

– Both Muhammad and Joseph Smith, despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings.
An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.[20]

– Both Muhammad and Joseph Smith claimed superiority over Jesus Christ.
Muhammad taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him.

In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim:
“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”
(“History of the Church”, vol. 6, p.408409; )[20][24]

– Both Muhammad and Joseph Smith were polygamists who had many wives.[25]

Other similarities between Islam and Mormonism
– Belief that good deeds are required for salvation just as much as faith.[19]

– Belief that the text of the Bible, as presently constituted, has been adulterated from its original form;[19]

An open Koran

– Belief that their faith represents the genuine, original religion of Adam, and of all true prophets thereafter;[19]

– Belief that one’s marriage can potentially continue into the next life, if one is faithful to the religion;[19]

– Belief that there are multiple degrees or spiritual levels in heaven;[19]

– Belief that a believer’s family, if appropriately faithful to the religion, can join them in the next world, only if they are equally faithful;[19]

– Assertions that modern Christianity does not conform to the original religion taught by Jesus Christ;[16]

– Rejection of the Christian doctrines of Original Sin and the Trinity;[19]

– Absolute prohibition of alcoholic beverages,and gambling;[19]

Poll: Pastors say Mormons not Christians

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– Incorporation of a sacred ritual of ablution, though each religion’s rite differs in form, frequency and purpose;[19]

– A “top down” clerical hierarchy that is drawn from the laity and placed into leadership roles, without any requirements for completing collegiate or theological training first;[19]

– Special reverence for, though not worship of, their founding prophet;[19]

–  A continuing history of sects, or splinter groups, who claim to be following the “original doctrine” of the founding leaders and whose practices include violence against dissenters and critics, as well as polygamy. [20]

CONCLUSION
Given these similarities and parallels – along with it’s long legacy of simultaneously denouncing and distancing itself from Christianity – it seems both logical, and reasonable that the LdS Church begin to proudly and publicly embrace it’s unique role as the Fourth Abrahamic Religion and drop the modern Mormon pretense that it’s Christian.[26]

NOTES
[1] Mike Tannehill, “The Mormon Christ”; Mormon Expression Blogs; November 27, 2011
[2] As in the David O. McKay era and later. For a full treatment of how Mormonism slowly transitioned from a movement that considered itself separate from and atagonistic to Christianity to one that insisted that it be identified with it, see “David O. McKay and the Rise of Modern Mormonism” by Gregory A Prince and William Robert Wright.

This mid-20th Century shift was also lightly, but poignently discussed in the PBS Frontline documentary, “The Mormons” in Part Two.
[3] Heber C. Kimball, “Oneness Of The Priesthood – Impossibility Of Obliterating Mormonism – Gospel Ordinances – Depopulation Of The Human Species – The Coming Famine, Etc.”; July 26, 1857; Journal of Discourses, Volume 5, p.89
[4] Joseph Smith, “Teachings of Joseph Smith”, p.270
( also see “Documentary History of The Church”, pp.217-219 )
[5] John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, Volume 6, p.167
[6] John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, Volume 10, p.127
[7] George Q. Cannon, The Journal of Discourses, Volume 24, p.371
[8] George A. Smith, The Journals of Discourse, Volume 3, p.30
[9] George A. Smith, The Journals of Discourse, Volume 3, p. 32
[10] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), pp.230–231.

Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, as follows:
“Except where noted, all the details of this chapter (16) are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Volume 3, p. 167See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. 3, p. 162.”

Please note that Bill McKeever’s artcle, “Joseph Smith – The Second Muhammad?” also contains interesting and valuable information regarding Smith’s speech based on the Marsh statement which Brodie references.
[11] Journal of Discourses, Volume 3, p.41; a transcription of the entire address can be read here.
[12] Journal of Discourses, Volume 3, p.38; a transcription of the entire address can be read here.
[13] Richard Ostling and Joan K. Ostling, “Mormon America”, p. 324
[14] Richard John Neuhaus, “Is Mormonism Christian? A Respected Advocate for Interreligious Cooperation Responds”; “First Things”, March 2000
[15] Ibid
[16] David Van Biema, “What Is Mormonism? A Baptist Answer”; Time Magazine, Wednesday, Oct. 24, 2007
[17] Harold Bloom, “Will This Election Be the Mormon Breakthrough?”; New York Times Sunday Review, November 12, 2011;
[18] Bruce Kinney, D.D., “Mormonism The Islam of America”; Fleming H. Revell Company, 1912; p.5.
[19] Wikipedia, “Similarities Between Muslims and Mormons”
[20] Paul T. Trask, “I Will Be a Second Muhammad”
[21] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, “The Facts on Islam”; Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998; pp.8–9. Also see Eric Johnson, “Joseph Smith & Muhammed”; El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998; pp.6–7.
[22] Genesis 50:26-36 of the Joseph Smith TranslationA good analysis of this topic can be found on pp.108&109 of “Part Way To Utah” by Paul Trask
[23] History of the Church, vol.4, pp.461
[24] History of the Church, vol.6, pp.408409
[25]  See “Muhammad’s wives” and “Remembering The Wives of Joseph Smith”Also note that Joseph Smith, Jr’s FamilySearch.org record (AFN: 9KGL-W2) contains the names of his polygamous wives. This is particularly interesting since as of the date of writing FamilySearch.org is owned and managed by the LdS Church.
[26]While not expliciting advocating this author’s stance in regard to assuming the “4th Abrahamic Religion” designation, some Latter-day Saint panelists on the June 14, 2011 Mormon Matters podcast (“Episode 37: Why Are Mormons Seen as “Dangerous” by Some Evangelical Christians?”) never-the-less agreed with this author that the Mormon claim that it is Christian is not only inaccurate and misleading but creating unnecessary friction and mistrust between the two groups.

This author agrees with that stance. However, you can’t drop the “Christian” label without replacing it with something. In the end, and after much thought, this author considers the “4th Abrahamic Religion” a fair and accurate stance that all parties should be able to live with.

Comments
  1. mike says:

    Where modern day Mormons struggle with comment that they “are not Christian”, is not that they don’t realize they are different, and believe differently than main stream Christians. It is the fact that a Mormon today, feels that a “Christian” is anyone who believes that Jesus is the Son of God, and that it is through him that a person receives salvation. So when you tell a Mormon he is not a Christian, it is confusing because he thinks you’re telling him that he does not believe in Jesus, when he does. He just doesn’t believe that your Jesus is going to send him to hell. But yes, Mormons in one part of their mind think they are Christian just like everyone else, and yet with another part of their minds they see themselves as very different, and the true manifestation of Jesus’ original church.

    As far as comparing Mormons to Muslims. When I first took a collage course on Islam, I was surprised how similar the ORAGINS where to that of Mormonism, and to compare Mormonism to a 4th Abraham movement, I think is pretty accurate. But to make the inference to main stream Christians that Mormons are just like today’s Muslims, would be an unfair comparison. The religions of Islam and Mormonism may have started out similar, but there is 1200 years between the two, and today their differences both culturally and religiously are pretty pronounced.
    One of the fascinating things about Mormonism is that it has many similarities to Judaism, main stream Christianity, and Islam. The closest similarities in practice however would fall somewhere between a mix of Judaism and a Christian faith.
    If anything the Mormon movement is fascinating because it is so young, and it allows us to see the modern day development of a religious movement. This can be helpful in understanding how past religious have developed over time.
    I enjoyed your article Fred.

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    • fredwanson says:

      Thank you for your kind, thoughtful, and poignant comments Mike.

      This was a tricky article to write because I realized that it could easily be misunderstood to mean that Mormonism isn’t Christian, it’s Islamic. So if you don’t mind, I would like to address that right up front.

      The main point of the article is that Mormonism isn’t Jewish, isn’t Christian, and isn’t Islamic – it’s it’s own religion: The Fourth Abrahamic Religion. It’s my hope (and frankly the hope of many others) that in the coming years the LdS Church will own this and drop the errant modern Mormon pretense that it’s Christian.

      In my opinion, Fourth Abrahamic Religion moniker is one that the LdS Church should be proud of and warmly embrace rather than shy away from or shun – especially since in my opinion (and in the opinion of some Mormons if the Mormon Matters podcast I reference in footnote 26 is suggestive) such a stance would quiet the rancor, volume, and criticism from the Christian side of “the divide.”

      This, of course, would mean a paradigm shift for modern Mormonism but I think one that even David O. McKay – the man (and one of my Mormon heroes BTW) who put the current paradigm into place (see footnote 2) would approve of.

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    • annaflicka says:

      Mike,

      Comments like the following one always make me scratch my head:

      “It is the fact that a Mormon today, feels that a “Christian” is anyone who believes that Jesus is the Son of God, and that it is through him that a person receives salvation. So when you tell a Mormon he is not a Christian, it is confusing because he thinks you’re telling him that he does not believe in Jesus, when he does.”

      Christians believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They also believe the Shema where it says: Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Do these beliefs automatically make Christians Jewish? No, they do not.

      Likewise, there are many who believe in Jesus and believe that it is through Him they can receive salvation. Do those beliefs automatically make them all Christian? No, they do not.

      There have to be some specifics. Christians are not Jewish (though they believe in the same God) because they believe they have a deeper understanding of the nature of God, they have more scriptures, and they believe they have a fuller understanding of God’s plan for mankind. Likewise Mormons are not Christian (though they believe in the same God) because they believe they have a deeper understanding of the nature of God, they have more scriptures, and they believe they have a fuller understanding of God’s plan for mankind.

      Judaism, Islam, Christianity, and Mormonism are all Abrahamic religions, they are just not all the same religion.

      Anna

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  2. fredwanson says:

    The following is from Keith Walker of Evidence Ministries ( http://www.evidenceministries.org/ ). He asked me to post it for him:

    ==Begin quote==
    I disagree with your conclusion. Mormonism is not the 4th Abrahamic religion any more than is any other cult of Christianity. Christianity does not view itself as the restoration of the original Jewish faith. Islam does not view itself as restored Judaism or restored Christianity.

    Mormonism is different. It presents itself as restored Christianity and Christianity in its present form as apostate. Exactly the same as the Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is nothing more than a cult of Christianity and always will be. The Mormons may not appreciate that designation, but neither do the Jehovah’s Witnesses who have almost twice as many who are faithful to their organization than active Mormons are to theirs.

    Do we then designate the Jehovah’s Witnesses as the 5th Abrahamic religion?
    ==End Quote==

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  3. fredwanson says:

    @Keith Walker
    I think that you have made some very good points. However, I would disagree with this argument:

    “Islam does not view itself as restored Judaism or restored Christianity. Mormonism is different. It presents itself as restored Christianity and Christianity in its present form as apostate. Exactly the same as the Jehovah’s Witnesses.”

    While it’s not explicitly stated as it is in the Latter Day Saint and Jehovah’s Witnesses movement, Islam considers itself the restored version of BOTH Judaism AND Christianity, which it sees as corrupted by both unscrupulous leaders and the resulting scripture:

    “Although it considers Muhammad to be the Seal of the prophets, Islam teaches that every prophet preached Islam, providing a historical back-story for the religion by co-opting Jewish and Christian prophets, and adding others, such as Cyrus the Great (Dhul-Qarnayn) and al-Khidr. The teachings of Quran are presented as the direct revelation and words of Allah, and earlier scriptures are considered to have been corrupted over time.”
    (source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions#Islam )

    Now I will readily – even happily – admit that I’m not the expert on the Jehovah’s Witnesses that you are, but I have never heard of the kind of affinity for the first three Abrahamic religions – especially the third, Islam – in Jehovah’s Witness (JW) history that you find in Mormon History. Are there the kinds of sympathetic endorsements by JW leaders toward Islam in their history that one finds in Mormon History?

    Statements by LdS Leaders (and I’ve only provided a few – there are many more) seem to suggest, and in some case explicitly state – that they considered their religion both the restoration and logical extension of Judaism, Chrstianity, and Islam. I know of no such linkage to Islam by JW leaders.

    Another key different that I see is that JWs tend to challenge orthodox, mainstream, historic Christianity’s interpretation of scripture not the scripture itself – as Islam does.

    For example, the JW New Century Version Bible (NCV) is a translation (albeit a questionable one) from extent manuscripts – they didn’t seem feel the need to add new scripture as Islam and Mormonism did thus subjugating the “corrupt” scripture to the dust bin (Islam) or a second class status (Mormonism). In JW theology I believe what’s contested is the interpretation of the scripture (which they feel colored Biblical translation prior to the NCV not the manuscripts itself. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

    As you know both Mormons and Muslims claim that the extant manuscript basis is corrupt and can’t be trusted – thus new scripture was required as a kind of “reboot” of the original, pure, Abrahamic religion.

    Finally, in terms of the Christian Counter-Cult stance that would be taken toward the LdS Church should it take the suggestion that it present itself as “The 4th Great Abrahamic Religion” it would be a familiar one: Christians would simply oppose it as a false religion as we currently do with Islam.

    Therefore, it seems a perfectly reasonable stance for the LdS Church to take and orthodox Christianity to challenge in exactly the same way that we do Islam. In my opinion, it would be a step forward, and vast improvement over the status quo not only for them but for us as well – and, ironically, a restoration of the Mormonism of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and all LdS Presidencies prior to David O. McKay – who introduced and initiated the current, “Hey y’all we’re Christians too!” mantra during his administration.*

    Thus, for the reasons that I outline here, and in the main article, objections to the suggestion that the LdS Church simply consider and proclaim itself the Fourth Great Abrahamic Religion rather than “Christian” puzzle me.

    * In my opinion, if you’re LdS and are serious about “the restoration” you can start by no longer calling yourself “Christian”. Instead, simply refer to yourself as “Mormon” or, more precisely, “Latter-day Saint”.

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  4. fredwanson says:

    A superb case study of what happens when Mormons trade their unique distinctives for “Me too! I’m one like you!” can be found in the comments section of a recent Deseret News article:
    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765620349/Oakland-Baptists-visit-LDS-headquarters.html

    However, as I pointed out in a comment to this article, this is not only silly but ultimately counter-productive:

    “It always puzzles me why today’s Mormons insist on minimizing their unique religious and cultural distinctives as some have done in their comments here.

    Given the rich texture of Mormon History and culture – not to mention a theological system so distinct that the title of “The Fourth Great Abrahamic Religion” was proposed by Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention – I would think that Mormons would be loudly declaring, “Oh no, we’re not Christians we’re something different altogether: We’re Mormons!”

    Instead, Latter-day Saints insist on trying to squeeze their square peg into a round hole that they have never fit and never will. Why do Mormons value their distinctives so little that they’re willing to sell them for a porridge called, “Me too! I’m one like you!”‘

    Yet when outsiders call them on this needless, unproductive, and inaccurate line blurring they gets pounced on, denounced, and condemned by Latter-day Saints. It’s a real head scratcher!

    So to paraphrase the late great James Brown, may I respectfully suggest that Mormons stop all that and just say it loud: “I’m Mormon and I’m proud!”
    (see http://www.deseretnews.com/user/comments/765620349/Oakland-Baptists-visit-LDS-headquarters.html?pg=2 )

    This case study is particularly telling when you consider the ORIGINAL version of the Oakland Post article which was republished in The Deseret News:
    http://www.postnewsgroup.com/publishedcontent/2013/01/03/rev-ray-williams-and-delegation-visit-mormon-headquarters-in-salt-lake-city/

    In the Deseret New edition the comments are hot, passionate, and alive with “Me too! I’m one like you!” declarations as well and the slapping down of any dissenters who would have the gall and audacity to suggest that Mormons are not only unique but are so unique that they are in fact not Christians at all.

    In the Oakland Post edition the only thing one can discern in the comments section is the chirping of crickets.

    To me this is a strong example of how while LdS Church may be holding a “We’re Christians just like you!” party, the only attendees are in fact Mormons – only a few non-Mormons are invested enough to care one way or the other.

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  5. This is interesting . . .

    … and funny too.

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